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  From:  rebellion109   7/25/2002 9:12 am  
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In the original Greek, the Bible says that Jesus was killed on a "stauros". This word means stave, not cross. 
According to VINE'S COMPLETE EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT WORDS, "stauros...denotes, primarily, 'an upright pale or stake.' On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, 'to fasten to a stake or pale,' are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed 'cross.' The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the 'cross' of Christ." 
"The method of execution was borrowed by the Greeks and Romans from the Phoenicians." 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/25/2002 9:47 am  
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Hi,

 

The Important thing to note is that Jesus did die for our sins and that He did indeed also Resurrect from death and is Alive Right now to Freely Give us His Eternal Life!

 

Since this topic is covered in other posts on this forum I will be brief in my explanation as to why Jesus was Crucified on a cross in the manner with which we are very failure.

 

1.)    The Bible referrers to Jesus being pierced in both hands by  nails (Plural) and in His feet singular. This indicates that the hands of Jesus were Stretched out from side to side requiring a separate nail for each hand. While the feet were placed together using one nail.

 

I like the saying.

 

   1 Cross

+  3 Nails

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=   4given (Forgiven)

 

2.)    A sign was written and placed above the head of Jesus. Had Jesus been crucified on a single stake His hands would have been above His head and the sign above His hands and not above His head as the Bible says.

 

3.)    The Bible tells us that Jesus was given a cross/pole to be carried to his place of crucifixion. The Bible also tells us that Jesus was Crucified on a tree. Likely the post that Jesus carried was then attached to a tree forming the familiar cross pattern.

 

4.)    The early Church Historians have identified the  cross that Jesus was crucified on as being the traditional (T) shaped cross that we are failure with.

 

Thank you for your Post!

God Bless You,

David



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From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/25/2002 9:49 am  
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Cross
Stauros (4716) stake or post, used for capital punishment.

Verses - Matt 10:38 27:32,40,42 1Cor 1:17,18 Phlip 2:8 Col 1:20 2:14 Heb 12:2

First Use: Genesis 3:14,15 ..and thou (Satan) shalt bruise his (Jesus) heel. This is a prophesied injury that is fulfilled by the crucifixion. 

 

Luke 2:34,35 And Simeon blessed them and said unto Mary his mother, Behold this (Jesus) child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; Yeah, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

 

The cross of Jesus is the pivotal dividing point in humanity. The cross is the event to reveal the hearts and intentions of mankind. On the cross Jesus was suspended between heaven and earth. Our decisions about Jesus are suspended just like Jesus on the cross. Either we chose to have a relationship with God in heaven or our relationship is with this world. Are hearts are revealed by how we view the cross. Hearts that are either for God and embrace the loving sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, or hearts that are against God and embrace what they think is the triumph of Satan and the death of God on the cross.

 

The Christian cross representing the cross of Jesus, is the single most recognized symbol throughout the entire world. The Pagan & Moslem & Hindu & atheist world all know and recognize the Christian cross of Jesus. To the Christian, the cross is a reminder of Gods ultimate love for us, that God became a man and gave His physical life for us so that we can live with Him in His righteous Spiritual kingdom. The sacrifice of the cross of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus from death symbolized in the Christian cross is our hope, our joy, our redemption and our salvation. To embrace Jesus is to embrace the cross. 1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

The cross 2,000 years ago, while it was being used as an instrument of torture and death, had a variety of shapes and sizes. Some crosses were shaped like an X; others were a single post, without a crossbeam. The local executioner would use what was available at the given time. Sometimes people were nailed to a tree. Jesus carried his cross beam through the streets. Luke 23:26 And as they (Roman soldiers) led Him (Jesus) away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian (city of Cyrene in Libya), coming out of the country (field) and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus. This cross beam may have been attached to a tree. Jesus might have been crucified on a cross that included a tree growing out of the ground and the beam He carried or, the beam that He carried might have been fastened to a post already there resembling the traditional cross as we know it to be. Either way, Jesus was crucified in the outstretched manner that we are familiar with.

 

There are several verses in the Bible that would indicate that Jesus was crucified exactly as we are familiar with, that He was raised up and his hands nailed outstretched from His sides and his feet nailed together near the bottom of the cross. The disciple Thomas stated that he would not believe in the Resurrection of Jesus unless he personally saw the two nail marks, one in each of the hands of Jesus [the hand included the tip of the finger, to the elbow]. John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him (Thomas), We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails {Plural) and put my finger into the print of the nails and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe. Some modern day critics of the Bible have said that Jesus was crucified with His hands above His head with one nail, but that does not match what the Bible says. The Bible says that a sign was placed above the head of Jesus, not above His hands. Matt 27:37 And set up over His head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. The disciple John records John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a tile and put it on the cross..

 

The cross of Jesus is the finest hour for mankind. It is the hour that God gave himself to us in a display of outstretched arms. Arms outstretched to us, arms that are open to all mankind. God fights all of His battles with an outstretched arm. On the cross God fought for us with both arms outstretched in a display of openness and love. Deuteronomy 26:8 And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with great terribleness and with signs and with wonders: Also in Jeremiah 27:5 I have made the earth, the man and the beasts that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm... The cross of Jesus is triumph, the triumph of God over sin and death; we are to embrace the love of the cross of Jesus. 

 

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